The Articles and the Prepositions !

[Chesda]

Hi guys,

This is about the articles and the prepositions. I think this two are not easy to know. So if anyone has any idea please, let me know!

Thank you,

Chesda

[jupiter]

Hi Chesda  

I think this is a good topic to discuss, Article and Preposition.

What I know is we have two articles- definite and indefinite one.
Definite article is THE. Indefinite article are A and AN

I think the difficulty occurs mostly with THE, that is, we are not sure when to use THE and when not to use it.

As for preposition, there are hundreds of them so it's not easy to master it. We find difficulty in using think OF and think ABOUT. Likewise, we are headache to differentiate between compare WITH and compare TO and something like that.

How to cope with Article and Prepositon???

Please share your thought.

Jupiter

[Keo Somala]

Hi Chesda & Jupiter,

Personally I think, the articles and preposition are "small words" but they have particular uses. Chesda, you are absolutely right to bring these out. And Jupiter has pointed out the start  

"The", as far as I know, has three main meanings:
Known (the sun, the moon, the teacher in the 5steps website)
Understood (The thing you are talking about is the article.)
Mentioned (I've got $50 and I'm going to spend the money right away.)

"A/An" have opposite usages :
Unknown
Not understood
Not mentioned

The prepositions are not necessarily used with verbs, and Jupiter has pointed out a great question. They are used to connect something in front of it to something behind it and sometimes to continue more ideas.

I'm interested in this topic.
We are talking about this topic.

Will be right back!

[vann lyda]

Hi!all.

Hey! Jupiter. Compare with and Compare to are different. Compare with mean just compare with other things. It's simple. Just a comparison. But compare to mean make it to look the same.

For example: Compare A with B.( what is the similarlities)
                    Compare A to B. (Make A to become B)

Yes, that is what I have learned from my TOEFL class. Any ideas for th

[vann lyda]

Hi!all.

Hey! Jupiter. Compare with and Compare to are different. Compare with mean just compare with other things. It's simple. Just a comparison. But compare to mean make it to look the same.

For example: Compare A with B.( what is the similarlities)
                    Compare A to B. (Make A to become B)

Yes, that is what I have learned from my TOEFL class. Any ideas for this!
From Lyda :roll:

[Linda_Qoo]

hey, u guys explain the use of articles and preposition quite well.
What about between and within?

[Kimlong]

Hey you-all here!!

I think in this chance Chesda don't want to talk about the ARTICLE but PARTICLE, ain't i rite?

Please take seriously look at the Chesda's trouble, he says "This is about the articles and the prepositions. I think this two are not easy to know. So if anyone has any idea please, let me know"


It means that he could not justify what the different between PARTICLE and PREPOSITION. May me he cofuses the word Particle and Article.


Hey CHESDA ain't I rite or I'm lonesome dreaming boy?

Kimlong

Particle and Article are very similar sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jupiter]

Hi Linda,

Linda wrote:

hey, u guys explain the use of articles and preposition quite well.
What about between and within?

I'm not sure what you want to ask, but I think perhaps you wanna know the difference between them. Both of them are preposition and I can't see they produce any confusion for us 'cause their meanings are different.

If it is between and among or within and inside, it may cause confusion.

Hope to get your reaction

Jupiter

[Chesda]

Hi Kimlong and all,

What I want to talk is exactly about the "Article and Preposition". As Somala gave us such good ideas.

I know it takes time to try to study these two parts of grammar. I have a lot of mistakes when I write with the prepositions and the articles. That's why I want to know some good techniques to make my writing better with the use of the articles and the prepostitions.

For Lyda Qoo Question, I have no ideas. But as I used to use the words between and within, I think that we use between to mean when we compare two things.
eg: Between you and me, you are the best.

Exactly I am not good at grammar, so please give me one month I will make my grammar better. Then I will try to give you all my ideas.

Thanks,

Chesda

[Suy Prasoeur]

Hi Chesda Mala Jupi Lyda Lynda and Kimlong,


Personally I think that there?s nothing causes confusions between Articles and Prepositions because they are quite different but it may do between the article THE and A/AN.

According to my knowledge about Articles :
A/An:
They are used with singular, countable nouns:
1/ To refer to a thing or an idea for the first time. We don?t which person or which thing is.
Ex: We have a cat and a dog.

2/ We use a/an with professions/jobs.
Ex: Mr. Brett Angel is a dj.

3/ With some expressions of quantity/measurements.
Ex: a pair of...; a little of...; a few ...

4/ In exclamations with what + a count noun.
Ex: What a lovely day!

The:
The is used with singular and plural countable and uncountable nouns.
1/ To refer to a thing or an idea for the second time or when both the speaker and the listener know which noun is being referred to.
Ex: We have a cat and a dog. The cat is black and the dog is white.

2/ When there is only one.
Ex: The world the moon the sun ...

3/ It is used before some formal names of countries, states and cities. (The ... of ...)
Ex: The United States of America, the Kingdom of Cambodia ...

4/ It is also used before some names of seas, rivers, ship, hotels, mountains and some more( I don?t remember all) :roll:
Ex: The Everest mountain, the Pacific ocean ...

5/ Before the ordinal numbers.
Ex: The first rank, the second floor ...

6/ With superlatives.
Ex: Who is the richest man the world?

7/ Before decades and centuries.
Ex: The 1930s, the twenty-first century ...

8/ When an adjective is used without a noun to present the class of people: the + adj.
Ex: The young and the old will both enjoy this movie.

9/ With names of people: the + plural surname can be used to mean <the ... family>
Ex: The Keos ===> Mr. and Mrs. Keo ( and children) ... :wink:  :lol:

10/ Before names of musical instruments when we talk about playing them.
Ex: Can you play the piano, Somala?

There may be one or two more points about The and A/An and these are just what I can remember

Prasoeur

[Chesda]

Thank you Suy Prasoeur! For your help.

Enjoy!

Chesda

[Kimlong]

Oh ain't i late again, Chesda?

Hey Chesda, thanks you very much indeed for waking me up. Now i get the hang of answering thy question.

Oh i hardly have anything to talk about on this topic, on account of  Prasoeur's explanations. But if i talk nowt about this topic i won't be able to sleep well.

First of all, i am to talk over article.

In common English-language, there has been 3 kinds of articles.

1, Indefinite article( a/an)

-The both are used refers to a singular or count-noun
Ex: They dwell in a lovely house.

-we use a/an with profession
Ex: a student, an artist

2, Definite articl (the)
- Before singular or plural noun which the speaker and the listener know which noun refers to.

Ex: The first place 5steps-competition-essay winner (we will know, he is Chesda)

- we use when there is only one
Ex: The Tonle Sap river, the earth, the sun...

-we use for the certain place which are institution

Ex:The cinema, the theatre, the riverside, the seaside...

- use before the ordinal numbers before nouns
Ex: The chaper three, the First World War, the Second World War,...

3, Zero article (no article)

-use over plural and non-count noun in general

Ex: Love is blind.
      Computers have changed our lives.
      I hate cats...

-with meals

Ex: I always have dinner/lunch/supper at 9pm.

Ultimate discussion is preposition.

To my inward eye, I think that we all are much clear about to use the single preposition like at, on, in, under, beneath, above, over...

But the problem is that the prepositions which go along with the specific nouns, adjectives, and verbs, aren't i rite?

1, Nouns+prepositons
Ex: Reason for, exception to, possibility of, means of fear of...

2, Verbs+prepositions
Ex: Emarge from, mingle with, engage in, rely on...

3, Adjectives +prepositions

Ex: Inferior to, similar to, fond of, guilty of, isolate from...


Chesda, if you are itching to get rid of thy issues of using prepositions, please try to remember that which nouns, verbs, adjectives are accompany by which prepositions.

Just some ideas!

Hope it will be off service for thee Chesda.

Eventually, i consistendly say that sorry for late participating in your topic, because now i am on the go all day with my assignment.

Kimlong

[Chesda]

Thank you Kimlong for your great ideas,

Now I got more know-how on the way to use the articles and the prepositions.

I hope that someone who face this problem the same me will get advantage from your good explanation too.

I am waiting to see more tips and strategies to use the articles and the prepositions.

Different people have different experiences.

Thank you all,Chesda

[Tdol]

4/ It is also used before some names of seas, rivers, ship, hotels, mountains and some more( I don?t remember all) :roll:
Ex: The Everest mountain, the Pacific ocean ...

Prasoeur, we don't normally use the definite article with individual mountains, but we do with mountain ranges:
Mount Everest is in the Himalayas.



Mind you, it's a ridiculously complicated area of English usage. :-)


There are a couple of exceptions in European mountains, like the Matterhorn, where the definite article is used in the language it's translated from.

[Suy Prasoeur]

Oh, thanks god I review this .. and thanks alot either to Tdol for that mistake! I must have confused, isn't that the use of Zero article? I am sorry for those who have read.